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Ohio CHL-holder to dealership: ''No guns, no Toyota''
Submitted by cbaus on Mon, 02/14/2005 - 19:48.Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:48:03 -0500
From: Harry Bryan
Subject: New SUV
I recently went to Toyota Direct, on Morse Road in Columbus, to make a deal
on a new SUV. I had been in an accident [with my current vehicle] and I don't feel comfortable in it anymore.
It took 2 trips to firm up the figures and get a trade-in appraisal.
Every time I went there the salesmen "vultures" were at the front door waiting for you to grab you for a sale and commission. They open the door for you, hit you with some small talk and ask what car you want.
I was on my second visit when it dawned on me that the salesmen opening the door always blocked any signage that was on the door, so I looked. Sure enough, there it was, a ghostbuster NO GUNS sign.
I was working with the sales manager on my deal. He had stepped away, which is when I noticed the sign. When he returned I asked for my keys back. He gave them to me and I headed for my car. I told him, "We have a problem." He asked what, and I told him it was the sign he had on his front door. He asked which one. I walked him over and pointed out the gun slash sign.
He told me it wasn't a problem, I could go to my car and put my gun in there and come back in and finish the deal or just come in and don't worry about the sign. I went for my wallet. I was getting a NO GUNS=NO MONEY cards but he asked me if I was looking for my license to prove to him that within the law. I told him I knew I was legal and had no desire to prove that to him.
I handed him the OFCC card. I told him it was that attitude that places those NO GUNS signs that was the problem and as long as he had them on his doors he wouldn't get my name on the dotted line. I said that I would go to a dealer with more sense and who wanted my business.
As I left he was perusing the NO GUNS=NO MONEY card. He had just lost a $30,000 sale because of his sign. He wasn't happy, but who cares? Maybe this will jolt him to actually think about this issue. I told him if he took down his signs he could give me a call and we'd pick up where we left off on the car deal.
Man, he looked pale as I drove away.
Harry Bryan
Contact information for Toyota Direct, (and other dangerous locations including those below), is available in OFCC's Do Not Patronize While Armed database...
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Letter to the Editor: Confronting violence with nonviolence
Submitted by cbaus on Mon, 02/14/2005 - 19:28.February 14, 2005
Akron Beacon Journal
The headline on the Jan. 25 front-page story got it right: "Calm words halt vow to kill.'' But the quote in the last paragraph was off base.
The story told how a Brimfield Township man, Rick Reichard, saved his and his mother's lives by facing up to a killer. The suspect had an AR-15 rifle and, police say, had just shot and killed his girlfriend and her 7-year-old son. The alleged killer, wandering through the neighborhood, came upon Reichard, who had just stepped out of his garage. Reichard's mother, Lois Scott, on her way home, stepped out of the house and joined her son, who was facing the suspect with his hands raised, as ordered.
The suspect vowed to shoot and kill them, and Reichard and Scott calmly talked him out of it. They did not try to run, or reach for a weapon of their own or otherwise threaten the suspect. The suspect walked away with his weapon without harming them, and they walked into the house and called 911.
A responding police officer told Reichard and his mother that it was a miracle they were not the suspect's next victims. It was not a miracle but just their good handling of a violent and potentially lethal situation.
What this incident shows is that confronting violence with nonviolent alternatives does work. Does it work all the time? Maybe and maybe not, but it has been proved over and over again that confronting violence with violence, or even threats of violence, doesn't work. It doesn't end the violence, but just results in more. To have a nonviolent society, which we all say we want, we must accept this fact and always seek nonviolent alternatives if and when violently threatened.
Jim McNenny
Stow
Commentary:
Mr. McNenny's theories are so logically bankrupt that it's tempting not to respond.
If confronting violence with non-violent alternatives is such a great thing, why are the three other unarmed people James Earl Trimble confronted that night dead?
Since McNenny claims the Reichards survived because "they did not try to run, or reach for a weapon of their own or otherwise threaten the suspect", the logical conclusion is that the other three victims' own fault they were killed, because they just didn't exercise "good handling of a violent and potentially lethal situation".
One more point, which comes from Snyder's "Nation of Cowards." The
officers who eventually apprehended Trimble were armed. Does the letter-writer recommend that officers not respond
with violence? Would he respond nonviolently to watching someone
rape a family member or friend?
Statistics prove unarmed victims are more likely to be harmed than are those who arm themselves and resist. People tempted to accept Mr. McNenny's poor advice to "always seek nonviolent alternatives if and when violently threatened" should keep that in mind.
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OK: Legislation would give new support to worksite gun law
Submitted by cbaus on Mon, 02/14/2005 - 19:04.February 11, 2005
The Shawnee (OK) News Star
Oklahoma lawmakers provided added support Thursday for a state law that allows workers to keep a gun in their locked vehicles at work -- a law that is being challenged in court by national employers.
The House Judiciary Committee passed a measure exempting businesses from legal liability if a gun is used at a work site after its author, Rep. Greg Piatt, R-Ardmore, said the bill addresses business concerns about Oklahoma's worksite gun law. The bill now goes to the full House.
"Businesses had two concerns -- safety and liability," Piatt said. "I believe this bill addresses the one aspect that we can control and that is liability."
Mike Seney, senior vice president of The State Chamber, which represents 2,000 businesses in Oklahoma and 26 other states, said the legislation does nothing to address the more basic problem -- safety.
"The key issue is we don't want people shot in our place of business," Seney said.
Click here to read the complete story from The Shawnee (OK) News Star.
Commentary:
Uhhh, someone needs to point Mr. Sweeney to the shootings at the Kansas City ConAgra plant, or at the Toledo Jeep plant - places where guns were banned. Obviously barring employees' right to self-defense while traveling to and from work is NOT the solution to Mr. Sweeney's "key issue".
And while we'd like to hope that a liability exemption would make a difference to Oklahoma businesses, it is worth noting that Ohio has such an exemption, yet too many businesses in this state still affirmatively disarm their employees and customers, despite overwhelming evidence that gun bans do not stop criminal attacks.
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